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Re: Naked Chart Trading
« Reply #120 on: February 20, 2010, 03:59:45 PM »

This is a session I did in 2010-02-19's afternoon, I was caught on the wrong side and flipped, get out at slightly above BE.  I post this trade to share how I unhedge locked positions to gain some pips.

Pair: EURUSD, M5 Chart:

Observation:  prevailing trend of EU is down, and EU repeatedly threatening the support 1.3457.  After seeing lower highs and 48 SMA cranking down, I went short.

S 1x1.3470 scout deploy on pull back after testing support at 1.3457
B 3x1.3498 flipped after seeing break of significant high before the congestion zone
S 1x1.3503 price stalled, reduce flip size and lock in part profit.
S 1x1.3513 reduce flip size to fully hedged at -8 pips, this is the amt I would lost if I close them, regardless of where price go.

But after I let the hedged position move with price, an opportunity popped up as price moved back to 12 SMA and did a small reversal up.  I unhedged my position by closing the original short scout (thus +1), leave the long leg now unhedge and position for a long trade.

B 1x1.3500 close short leg of hedge positions
S 1x1.3510 price stall when hitting last significant high, close session to reassess

(Note: If price will to propel above last significant high in one quick trust, I may continue to trade on the long side, and managed from there.  But price did not, so I stopped and get out.  Price later moved up again, but I was not around to trade them)

Session Profit: 2 Pips
Open drawdown: 30+- pips
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Re: Naked Chart Trading
« Reply #121 on: February 21, 2010, 07:00:19 PM »

HC,

the flipping makes more sense to me instead of keep deploying more troops for rescue.
Just imagine if you keep your rescue operation and this would means, you're fighting the market all the way (my personal opinion).
Therefore I still can't comprehend a rescue operation in a wrong trend.

If I look at your trade they're mostly within 1 or 2 hours at max.
I see one of the fti posting:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost.php?p=1812643&postcount=947

If you look at 1st trade, it takes him 8 hours to close.
If that is taking him so long, he could have gone through many cycles of rescue or attack operations.


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Re: Naked Chart Trading
« Reply #122 on: February 21, 2010, 08:03:53 PM »

dax:

You are right, when against trend, don't rescue.  Cut if you must, flip if you can.

BUT what if you are not against the trend, just that scout entry timing is out? Eg: the hypothetical entry marked at chart attached (this is actual chart that continues from my session 2010-02-18) ?  Flipping get caught at both end.

Trend can be vary obvious when it run its course, but when it is still developing, I cannot be sure.
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Re: Naked Chart Trading
« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2010, 12:44:12 PM »

dax:

I saw your question about the numbers of hours in each trading session in FF, and thought that maybe fti or someone more experienced there would be able to provide a better answer.  Since no one has, so here are my thought.

1. I don't choose the nos of hours per session.  Market decides.  I just react to want the price moved.  There are many session that are just pure scalping with no attack or rescue if I don't see price will extend after my entries.

2. That said, however, I try no not to do too many attack/rescue.  The reason is that I do mostly Asia and UK trading time, and the price move during these period is usually not as big as that of US session.  So the adding of entries has to take this into consideration.

3. Another reason I did not leave the session too long is because of my lack of trading skill, my risk appetite, my mind set and my inability to babysit positions round the clock.
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Re: Naked Chart Trading
« Reply #124 on: March 01, 2010, 11:19:01 AM »

This is the session I did this morning:

Pair: EURUSD, M5 Chart:

S 1x1.3629 scout deploy on break MA & pull back from false breakup
S 2x1.3620 attack
B 2x1.3619 attack removed price action don't look right
S 2x1.3622 attack on resumption of down move
B 2x1.3612 attack removed as momentum stalled at support
B 0.5x1.3603 close 1/2 scout to see how it goes
B 0.5x1.3607 close remaining 1/2 scout as reversal candle seen.

Session Profit: 46 Pips
Open drawdown: 8+- pips

Session Review:
Removal of attact at 1.3612 is too premature, as no reversal sign seen. 
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